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The United States by schmitzky The United States by schmitzky
In our timeline, the United States of Greater Austria were a proposal made by Aurel Popovici in the year 1906, during the reign of Emperor Franz Joseph. Obviously, it did not see the light of day.

In this timeline, the United States of Greater Austria were a proposal made by Aurel Popovic in the year 1909, shortly after Emperor Francis II assumed the throne. While its gradual implementation forced the country on the brink of civil war for two whole decades, the United States finally reachieved political stability just as the first wave of war communism hit Europe.

The darker spots are autonomous regions, where minorities (usually German ones) have special rights in regards to the entity which governs them.
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AkuraPare Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2015
the fools dreams :D
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Skinny22 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Serbs have no claim to Lika, Banija or Kordun (ranging from 10 to 60% of population), they came in the 17th and 18th century anyway. Croats were majority in Knin until 1955. Or to Bosnia(33% of population).
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Mor-Vilkacis Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
Bosnia is a huge mess, the borders are ridiculous (and when you take a look at a physical map - impossible) and yet you don't connect the ethnic areas anyway. Serbs would make up half of the population of you "Bosnia". BTW, "Boshniaks" does not equal "Bosnians".
And why do that anyway? Divide Bosnia? The Croats and Serbs were best pals back then, the Croats renamed their national institution from "Croatian" into "Yugoslav", the intellectuals of the two nations constructed a common language, the political leader of Croatia was a Serbs demanding unification with Serbia...and then take into account how difficult (impossible) is to divide them...
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doliwaq Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
Too big Ost-Galizien.
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Mor-Vilkacis Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
No it's not, the border follows the ethnic border between Ukrainians and Poles.
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doliwaq Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
However, I understood you.
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doliwaq Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
Lwów(Lviv), Tarnopol(Tarnopil), Stanisławów(Iwano-Frankiwsk), Przemyśl, Drohobycz, Stryj - this cities and towns were mostly inhabited by Poles, and in large part by Jewish. Only villages are Ukrainians, and not all. This is very important question. Lviv was also known as "The most Polish of Polish cities".
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Mor-Vilkacis Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
Imagine how much land in Eastern Europe (Poland included) could the Germans democratically claim by that principle. The principle of self-determination of nations is about the land belonging to the people who live on it. And almost all of the territory apart of the big cities in Eastern Galicia was inhabited by Ukrainians. And if dozens of exclaves were created fot the Polish cities - well, a city can't live without it's surrounding. Villages can live without cities - did for ages.
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doliwaq Featured By Owner May 25, 2013
And this is unfair for citizens of many towns and cities in Eastern Galicia. They dont want to live in Ukrainian Eastern Galicia, which showed the citizens of Lviv when they make uprising against Ukrainian government in 1918. Students, childrens, womens fighting because they do not want to live in Ukraine, only in the Poland. Because, as you say, the cities may not be enclaves in the country, this distribution is unfair and may give rise to bloody riots.
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Mor-Vilkacis Featured By Owner May 25, 2013
If you're going to draw borders in ethnically mixed areas it is BOUND to be unfair for one of the nations. But why would Polish wishes count for more than Ukrainian? It would be more unfair if 60 000 sq. km of Ukrainian inhabited area was Polish, than 10 000 sq. km of Polish inhabited area being Ukrainian. Sorry, but if you don't agree, than you are a nationalist.
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doliwaq Featured By Owner May 25, 2013
Hah, I hate nationalism, so I can't be nationalist.
You know why I think Poles should have bigger territory, at the expense of Ukrainians?
Because Poles do not cooperative with Hitler to exterminate all minorities in Galicia, like Ukrainians. Because Ukrainians, not Poles, kill hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and childrens for "ethnically pure" Ukraine.


I know that it happens many years after the time of Which We write, but this is very important.
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Mor-Vilkacis Featured By Owner May 25, 2013
That's called "collective guilt", it's the same principle that resulted in the holocaust and if you support it/believe in it, than you're nationalist.

Thinking you're not a nationalist doesn't mean you're not a nationalist. Quite the contrary, very rarely do the nationalist realize they're nationalists.

There are more important things in life than the size of your country's borders, you should concentrate on them.
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Skull-Island-Master Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2011
frag mich oft, wie es wohl wäre wenn es tatsächlich die Vereinigten Staaten von Großösterreich gäbe.
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Mor-Vilkacis Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Gar nichts wurde sich ändern. Nationalismus war zu stark um es mit Autonomie anstatt vollständingem Unabhängigkeit zu befriedigen.
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Assamite36 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2011
Where's Transylvania?
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Cheetaaaaa Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011
I´m not the artist who made that, but I speak german and can say you, that Siebenbürgen is Transylvania. Siebenbürgen is just the german name.
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varpho Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2011
it was an interesting proposal, but it was proposed too late. anyway, i like the map you've made.
and FYI, i've made a flag proposal for this United States: :thumb200951273:
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Optimus01 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2011
THE EVIL EMPIRE ! THE DUNGEON OF NATIONS ! DEATH TO IMPERIALISM !
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Mor-Vilkacis Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Which was then replaced by a couple of new Dungeons of Nations: Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, interwar Poland... In Austria-Hungary a Romanian didn't have to be ashamed of being Romanian, like Hungarians had to be in interwar-Romania.
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Optimus01 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Very touching ... almost had me crying there for a moment !
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Mor-Vilkacis Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
I'm not Austrian/Hungarian, if that's what you're implying. Before being so itchy about the subject you could educate yourself a bit better. The state wasn't nearly as hated by its minorities as it is being portrayed today. It was also more lenient to them than almost every new interwar country. This is basic knowledge of history.
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Mor-Vilkacis Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013
That's exactly what I'm doing - I study history.
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Optimus01 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013
Before you go suggesting other people to educate themselfs a bit better, i belive you should take your own advice first !
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Skull-Island-Master Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2011
I think that would have changed with the United States of Greater Austria, that was the reason why they planned it, so that the other nations have more freedom etc.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2011
There have been MUCH worse fates than this, I assure you. ;)
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Optimus01 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2011
It may be :) But the Habsburg (Austrian) later Austrian-Hungarian empire, is not a happy memory for many nations !
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Skull-Island-Master Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011
I dont get what you mean:

Article 19 of the 1867 "Basic State Act" (Staatsgrundgesetz), valid only for the Cisleithanian (Austrian) part of Austria-Hungary said:


All races of the empire have equal rights, and every race has an inviolable right to the preservation and use of its own nationality and language. The equality of all customary languages ("landesübliche Sprache") in school, office and public life, is recognized by the state. In those territories in which several races dwell, the public and educational institutions are to be so arranged that, without applying compulsion to learn a second country language ("Landessprache"), each of the races receives the necessary means of education in its own language.
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Optimus01 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012
But this right was never respected ... unfortunatly.
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Skull-Island-Master Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012
Ok lol, i just posted the same thing again xD I didnt remember that i already posted it to you.
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Skull-Island-Master Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012
Well i have to say, that in the Cisleithanian the ethnic groups were quite equally treated:


Article 19 of the 1867 "Basic State Act" (Staatsgrundgesetz), valid only for the Cisleithanian (Austrian) part of Austria-Hungary, said:

All races of the empire have equal rights, and every race has an inviolable right to the preservation and use of its own nationality and language. The equality of all customary languages ("landesübliche Sprache") in school, office and public life, is recognized by the state. In those territories in which several races dwell, the public and educational institutions are to be so arranged that, without applying compulsion to learn a second country language ("Landessprache"), each of the races receives the necessary means of education in its own language.

lso the USGA Plan would surely have changed all of that. I even made a alternate history (which you can find in my gallery)
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2011
I guess it depends on who you ask...
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Optimus01 Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011
true, true ! But they are a minority :)
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2011
Perhaps.
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vaipaBG Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fucking Serbs! If they didn't kill the Archduke this would have been acomplished.
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RomaniaTricolor Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2011
Give me a brake! Very good map but just another version regarding the "prison of nations"! To hell with the empires! May all rot in..."peace". When I dream, I do it in my romanian language, not in USGA language. The history has loughed of the DDR's communists who believed that the "new" germans are a different nation, in the same way is loughing of the idiots from Republic of Moldova that are still trying in the stalinist ways to prove that the romanians and moldavians are two distinct nations.

The flag is very cool too (but put the 8 red stars in the gold section and the 8 white ones in the black section or just combine them one red-one white)
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GigoXXIII Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The Prison of Nations says hello
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vaipaBG Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
u mad
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2011
This is an interesting concept, to be sure. I have difficulty seeing something like this ever becoming a reality, mostly because the Balkans seem to have way too much cultural variation to ever get along in a union after the age of nationalism, but if, against all odds it survived without Russia making advances into the Balkans, I wouldn't be surprised if it looked something like this. Good work!
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zalezsky Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
amazing i love it
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2011
If only....
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vaipaBG Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If only the dumb Serbs didn't kill the Archduke.
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Daetck Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2008
Shame that is not our reality. It might have save ten million lives or more.
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K-Haderach Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2011
This is a great map, very detailed and well-drawn, but I'm very happy that it never became reality. And I completely disagree with this idea that peace is always good, that any scenario that could have avoided some big war would have been a good thing. No. Peace is not always good. As Jean-Jacques Rousseau once said: There is peace in dungeons, but does that make them desirable?

Sometimes, it is better to have a bloody war than an unjust peace.
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lamnay Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2009
I know it is a shame.
History frustrates me, seeing how close we came to never having a world war, and the Empire become federations, rather than powerless husks in Europe and pitifully poor nations elsewhere.

I love the USGA, my third favorite failed plan after the Imperial Federation and the 100 days reform.
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Nekromans Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2008
Awesome. Is this (and your other USGA stuff) Timeline-S?
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schmitzky Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2008
Yes, both the flag and the map of the USGA and the country profile of the Papal States are from what I think is my final interpretation of Timeline-S.
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Condottiero Featured By Owner May 3, 2008
Love the map
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